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Post by red on Feb 22, 2019 20:19:10 GMT
Hey, been busy of late, winter's in full swing and I'm loving it. Before I even fully understood what the berserkgangr was, which came about thanks to Wayland S., I read up on the Sagas, Eddas, etc., and was fascinated by werewolves, eventually coming across hamrammr, which is frankly an awesome subject connected to the Berserkir, so I thought I'd share with you all what I've come to figure out about the subject and by all means correct me or add to this.
Two terms have been used for Nordic/Germanic types of animal, trans-formative magic, namely hamask or “change-form” and hamrammr or “shape-strong.” It is unknown whether hamask means to literally shapeshift and/or take on animal powers to change one’s own nature and strength like the berserkr. As to hamrammr, there are four different variations as far as I can make out.
1. The first form of hamrammr is the berserkgangr, which is to take on or absorb the power or strength of an animal as an idea or of a specific animal, whose pelt you wear, though wearing a pelt does not necessarily entail that you are possessed by that specific dead animal. In either case, you will temporarily gain its strength, instincts, smell, hearing, ferocity, or whatever it is that is special about it. Your physical body will not shapeshift, though it may change in appearance, such one’s hair raising, the face may distort, the muscles may tighten and bulge, etc. Animals connected to this within the Sagas include wolves, bears, and boars, though could be connected to other animals as well such as cat or even trolls.
2. Another form of hamrammr was to perform a galdr song and produce an aura or illusion around you of appearing to others as an animal or even another person, though in actuality, you did not shapeshift and the aura could potentially disappear if interfered with.
3. Genuine shapeshifting was one of the forms of hamrammr. Of course this is where you physically transform into the desired animal or even person. The most common animals shapeshifted into were of course wolves and thus the individual doing the transformation, could rightly be called a werewolf. Shapeshifting was also performed into a myriad of other animals throughout the Eddas and Sagas.
4. The last, strongest, and safest form of practicing hamrammr was to put your body into a sleep, trance, or coma like state and perform a sort of astral projection. Once out of your body you either possess an already living animal or you actually create a second, separate body, which is usually that of an animal, indeed we have no examples of people doing this with human forms in the lore. This second body is akin to a thoughtform, tulpa, or possibly, but probably not quite like an ectoplasm-like creation, wherein one projects one’s hamr or shape as a type of energy that takes on solid form. The animal created can sometimes be made much larger than the normal animals found in the wild and can continue to “live” as long as the willpower of the practitioner can hold onto or project the thoughtform, which may become disrupted if the animal participates in a fight or is eventually killed. In this case, the projector would simply re-enter and re-animate his own body, either leaving the thoughtform dead or the thing simply disappears, this is unclear. In the case of possessing an already existing animal, the resulting effect on the animal is again uncertain. The most common animal forms used in the Sagas with this form of hamrammr are wolves, bears, hawks, eagles, ravens, and even an incredible account involving a whale.
Anywhoo, that's some of the basic ideas I've figured out on hamrammr as a whole. Besides the Eddas and Sagas in general I'd specifically say I gained this info from the following books.
The Saga of King Hrolf Kraki [Trans. by Jesse L. Byock] The Saga of the People of Vatnsdal [Trans. by Andrew Wawn] The Book of Were-Wolves by Sabine Baring Gould The Werewolf in Lore and Legend by Montague Summers Of Wolves and Men by Barry Lopez Putting on the Wolf Skin by Wayland Skallagrimsson Myths and Symbols in Pagan Europe by H. R. Ellis Davidson
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Post by mutz on Feb 24, 2019 16:28:11 GMT
It's really interesting. I'll try to read more about it.
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Post by red on Mar 25, 2019 3:45:25 GMT
Put the following together on the process of achieving the gangr state. This based upon Wayland's works, which I quote on occasion here, as well as personal experience and the experiences of others, which seem to vary from person to person a little bit. So this is hardly concrete.
Stress is the primary thing that brings about the berserkr state and there are several ways of creating that stress. Pain is one of the primary ones and is best when inflicted upon you from someone else, for then your rage can better be directed towards them. The main point of inflicting stress upon yourself in order to stimulate the gangr, is to stimulate an adrenaline dump and become use to the stress and pain to come. The state’s primary function is in the hindbrain and not the forebrain or forward part of the brain, where logical thinking and concentration may take place. Instead, instincts kick in and you’re driving energy away from the brain and into the body. So it’s not revving up your mind, but clearing your mind. Calm the mind and make it less active. Don't think of it as psyching yourself up, but as tripping into. During the berserkergangr the face distorts into appearing very animalistic and usually involves baring the teeth, though the primary attribute of any look is held in the eyes, the windows to the soul. The eyes say more than the rest of the face, their ferocious intensity and light or the sternness of a penetrating gaze is what makes an impression upon those who behold it. Chattering the teeth, which then kind of turns into a snarl or clenching and baring the teeth in a snarl seems to work well at raising energy. There is a theory about why this is so, based on triggering ancient instincts tied to the muscles being worked, but Wayland S. warns not to crack your teeth in the process. Biting objects can also be useful in the process as well as making audible snarls, growls, howls, roars, screaming, whatever comes in the moment. As to the following steps to achieve the state, you may not want to go through all of these if you’re a fight is beginning right away and you have no time. Thankfully a real fight should produce enough natural stress to enter the state, especially if you’ve practiced. The following order of the steps to achieving the gangr can vary from person to person or need and circumstances, and the order could somewhat be re-arranged.
1.The Animal Nature (Spirit) Mentally and/or verbally call upon your fylgjur. If you have time, you can do some light meditation and interaction with your totem in that state. Once you begin interacting with the fylgjur, let it possess you and begin to manifest the physical attributes such as posture, facial expressions, and noises as previously described. When doing this, never take notice of what others are thinking around you. Be completely committed to what you are experiencing, not what you imagine they are. Do this well and they will experience the full weight of your commitment and transformation. Do not be aware of them until the transformation is complete and then they will look like a foreign object that does not belong in your way.
2.Mental Pain/Emotions (Mind) Wayland used to use painful memories to bring about an elevation, but managed to excel beyond that need, thus it may be a useful tool to some beginners. Something else you can do is imagine that your opponent has hurt or intends to hurt a loved one.
3.Muscle Flexing and Contortion (Body) As was described near the end of the first step, posture has a lot to do with the state. Flexing the upper back and shoulders in a hunched like fashion seems to help and creates heat as well. Things that may help to induce stress could be punching yourself in the face or arching your back and neck all the way back, as far as you can, into a C shape. This puts you in a position where, if a little more force were applied, your spine could theoretically break. Your subconscious mind is programmed to worry about this, and respond with an adrenaline release, just like with pain. Also headbanging or flexing the neck and rotating it will widen the blood vessels where a couple of nerve bundles enter the spine. Stimulating this area can flood your brain with oxygen.
4.Becoming Destructive and/or Blood Drunk or Achieving Violent Ecstasy or Violent Frenzy (Full Manifestation) At this point the transformation should be complete and it can usually be best to announce the new self with a roar, howl, or scream. If you are simply practicing the state, do so where you can actually commit to it, like out in the woods or in a barn or something, not in your house or apartment. Release the energy on inanimate objects, such as trees, bushes, throw rocks around, roll boulders, punching bags, or even slamming your head into walls and other objects. If your doing the gangr for an actual fight, then unleash the energy and strength upon all living things in your view. Take whatever comes, just deliver every bit of destruction and pain you can to those around you.
5.(Recovery) Coming out of the gangr can be achieved through consciously trying to bring your mind back, exhaustion and natural depletion of the berserkgangr energy, breathing from the abdomen especially sucking the stomach in and out, or even cold water exposure may help. Stroking or having the head and hair stroked, even down the neck, may help come out of the gangr.
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Post by mutz on Apr 10, 2019 10:05:28 GMT
Couple weeks ago I experienced going from 0 to "ready to kill" in a split second.
I was walking to a supermarket close to my home (half mile away) and I found myself surrounded by two really large stray dogs.
As they came, growling, ready to attack, I felt a gangr like state and growled back in a way that scared the dogs away...
It took me a minute or two to realize what happened.
Can't help but keep a silly smile while walking to the market.
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Post by red on Apr 12, 2019 16:19:33 GMT
Nice! That's awesome. Yeah, done that before. I think for me anyway it's sort of a preparatory step, where I'm getting ready to fight and get thrown into the gangr. Dogs are used to frightening people as much as geese in a park. I swear though, if you walk around with the mindset that you won't take shit from any animal, they can feel that vibe and will leave you alone, just as you've mentioned with horses. Once though I was out walking and a big ol' dog came rushing after me. Had to jump a creek to get to me to. I just full on commited that we were going to rumble, stopped walking in my current trajectory, about faced, and started slowly stomping off towards him with a mindset of "let's do this!" His facial expression changed and he almost plummeted back into the creek to get away. Having said that, it's not like I dislike animals or anything in general. I try to send good vibes and intentions towards animals I meet. Cats seem to respond well to this in particular.
Once when I was attending some classes at a college, must've been around seventeen years old and before I realized what my tendencies and nature might mean, I was walking to a door inside the college and a retarded hypster kid rushed it from my side and put his hand on it, shutting it while I was opening it. Not sure what he was thinking or going to do, but my head snapped in his direction, eyes on fire, and I bared my teeth with a growl. It was so fast, completely natural feeling, and obviously not an expected one for really either of us. He was taken aback and stumbled back a couple paces. I was actually slightly weirded out and a little embarrassed by what I did, so I just paid him no nevermind and continued on my way, hearing him shakingly laugh to himself behind me in a manner that said something akin to "what the hell was that?"
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Post by mutz on Apr 15, 2019 11:59:16 GMT
Hey, been busy of late, winter's in full swing and I'm loving it. Before I even fully understood what the berserkgangr was, which came about thanks to Wayland S., I read up on the Sagas, Eddas, etc., and was fascinated by werewolves, eventually coming across hamrammr, which is frankly an awesome subject connected to the Berserkir, so I thought I'd share with you all what I've come to figure out about the subject and by all means correct me or add to this. Two terms have been used for Nordic/Germanic types of animal, trans-formative magic, namely hamask or “change-form” and hamrammr or “shape-strong.” It is unknown whether hamask means to literally shapeshift and/or take on animal powers to change one’s own nature and strength like the berserkr. As to hamrammr, there are four different variations as far as I can make out. 1. The first form of hamrammr is the berserkgangr, which is to take on or absorb the power or strength of an animal as an idea or of a specific animal, whose pelt you wear, though wearing a pelt does not necessarily entail that you are possessed by that specific dead animal. In either case, you will temporarily gain its strength, instincts, smell, hearing, ferocity, or whatever it is that is special about it. Your physical body will not shapeshift, though it may change in appearance, such one’s hair raising, the face may distort, the muscles may tighten and bulge, etc. Animals connected to this within the Sagas include wolves, bears, and boars, though could be connected to other animals as well such as cat or even trolls. 2. Another form of hamrammr was to perform a galdr song and produce an aura or illusion around you of appearing to others as an animal or even another person, though in actuality, you did not shapeshift and the aura could potentially disappear if interfered with. 3. Genuine shapeshifting was one of the forms of hamrammr. Of course this is where you physically transform into the desired animal or even person. The most common animals shapeshifted into were of course wolves and thus the individual doing the transformation, could rightly be called a werewolf. Shapeshifting was also performed into a myriad of other animals throughout the Eddas and Sagas. 4. The last, strongest, and safest form of practicing hamrammr was to put your body into a sleep, trance, or coma like state and perform a sort of astral projection. Once out of your body you either possess an already living animal or you actually create a second, separate body, which is usually that of an animal, indeed we have no examples of people doing this with human forms in the lore. This second body is akin to a thoughtform, tulpa, or possibly, but probably not quite like an ectoplasm-like creation, wherein one projects one’s hamr or shape as a type of energy that takes on solid form. The animal created can sometimes be made much larger than the normal animals found in the wild and can continue to “live” as long as the willpower of the practitioner can hold onto or project the thoughtform, which may become disrupted if the animal participates in a fight or is eventually killed. In this case, the projector would simply re-enter and re-animate his own body, either leaving the thoughtform dead or the thing simply disappears, this is unclear. In the case of possessing an already existing animal, the resulting effect on the animal is again uncertain. The most common animal forms used in the Sagas with this form of hamrammr are wolves, bears, hawks, eagles, ravens, and even an incredible account involving a whale. Anywhoo, that's some of the basic ideas I've figured out on hamrammr as a whole. Besides the Eddas and Sagas in general I'd specifically say I gained this info from the following books. The Saga of King Hrolf Kraki [Trans. by Jesse L. Byock] The Saga of the People of Vatnsdal [Trans. by Andrew Wawn] The Book of Were-Wolves by Sabine Baring Gould The Werewolf in Lore and Legend by Montague Summers Of Wolves and Men by Barry Lopez Putting on the Wolf Skin by Wayland Skallagrimsson Myths and Symbols in Pagan Europe by H. R. Ellis Davidson I think I've only experienced the first form of hamrammr you've mentioned. Have you ever experienced the other forms you mentioned before?
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Post by red on Apr 19, 2019 15:51:24 GMT
Unfortunately no, but I wonder if people sometimes perform the last form, namely the thoughtform projection, by accident in their sleep. Probably a very few. I myself have started backing off from calling myself a berserkr or ulfhedinn for the moment, though I do have those tendencies, I'm just not exactly proven in a fight nor yet performed an initiation ritual. Speaking of the former, I'm interested if anyone can tell me what their fighting style is like within a gangr state. According to Wayland S. and some of my own thoughts, this is what I could come up with in all its variations, meaning someone probably doesn't practice all that follows.
Once you’re in the gangr, you’ll probably not be able to use a strict martial art style, however, if you practice some basic techniques that can be used or subconsciously fall back upon them while in the gangr, then that would be of obvious use. If you do end up punching, you can do so lightly to stun your opponent and then grapple with them or try going for a massive blow, which I wouldn’t necessarily recommend. The hands are generally a little weak to throw such heavy punches, unless you’re trained in boxing. Hands have to many little bones. Once in close range of your opponent, elbows are a good alternative to punching and once on the ground, delivering hammer fists have almost zero side effects. If you throw a heavy punch while in the gangr one way to make the hit more forceful is to aim at the back of your opponent, not his front. So follow through and extend the shoulder, rotating the upper back and waist. Another thing the berserkr must learn is that all motion should be from the waist. The waist is the largest, most powerful joint in the body, a fact under-appreciated by many fighters. Any strike must originate from the waist, and the striking limb must be whipped around by it. Also imagination can play a role in the strength of the strike. For example, when punching a bag or shadow boxing at air, throw a punch and then pay attention to the sound it makes and when you make as you exhale your breath during your blow as you should. Strike again and increase the noise, breathing, and strike with it. Keep this up until you're pounding with a defining sound and strength, exhaling more forcefully as well. So it sort of has to do with visualizing how hard you’re going to hit someone and then hit them harder than you imagined. Larger berserkir, usually associated with the bear, tend to emphasize strength and grappling/wrestling. Fancy footwork or excessive motion doesn't seem to be common in the bear style. Wayland knew one who basically just used his great resistance to harm and his iron helmet of a skull to walk in a straight line into his opponent's guard, shrug off the shots he took, and threw his opponent to the ground. Be in the mindset of, take whatever is dealt on you. Try to avoid it, but just take it if it comes. The point is for you to inflict as much pain and destruction upon your opponent as you can manage. That’s your goal, consequences be damned and any pain that’s delivered on you simply fuels your rage like the bear. Taking a page from the fighting style of wolf; the teeth are a natural weapon for those who do not possess the proper claws, but of course for humans as primates, the fist is also a viable weapon as is the kick from a leg. Wolves take down their prey or they exhaust a larger animal before going in for the kill. This translates in human terms in that one needs to get your opponent on the ground and get on top of them and beat them and tear at them until they’re fleshy pulp. In the case of multiple opponents however, this may not be the best way to go. You may want to try taking out the ring leader of the group and making an example of him or go for the weakest one’s like the wolf and getting them out of the way. Either way, you must make a bloody example of those you go after first in a multiple opponent scenario, so as to dishearten the rest of your foes. Without exposing yourself to the strikes of other opponents, you may be able to simply throw or get a guy off his feet and slam him enough to put him out of the game without having to spend to much time on him. A berserker fight cannot last long against one opponent or many for the unskilled. If it lasts to long and you can't get one guy, you will begin to loose the gangr and the guy will become more confident. If against multiple opponents, you must be very skilled to keep up the energy for entirety of the fight. In the case of a much larger opponent, be swift and dodge him, dancing circles around him, hitting and essentially nipping at him at every opportunity until he is exhausted or you see a chance to take him down. Like the wolf, try to get behind someone and take them down or put them on the run with your appearance and then chase to the earth. Use your momentum to take them down, and try to keep your center of gravity, which is about two inches below your navel, below your target's center of gravity. You might go down with your target, but if you do, end up on top or in a superior position. Another method to employ like the wolf, especially against larger targets is to be constantly moving and circling your opponent, employing head movement. A few specific moves that one can perform against one’s opponent while in the gangr include the following. Raise as much energy as possible while not spending any of it in action or even expression like snarling or growling. Then let it flood you physically and suddenly rush your opponent, when his guard is down, maybe with a howl or roar, maybe not. Leap in the air and forcefully bring a hammer fist down on a guy’s shoulder or head with your entire body weight falling with the blow. Head butting can often be affective. Get in a clinch with your opponent and throw him around, keeping him between you and other opponents. Rushing your opponent, grabbing him under his armpits, and throwing him up against a wall or elsewhere can be good. No matter what method you may use to throw your opponent, he could be thrown into others, potentially taking down many at once. This also lends the berserkr an aura of awe and fear and can help demoralize your opponents.
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Post by mutz on Apr 20, 2019 16:00:00 GMT
"Either way, you must make a bloody example of those you go after first in a multiple opponent scenario, so as to dishearten the rest of your foes. Without exposing yourself to the strikes of other opponents, you may be able to simply throw or get a guy off his feet and slam him enough to put him out of the game without having to spend to much time on him."
When I was in 7th grade I was walking with my younger brother in my neighborhood and 3 9th graders from my school decided that it would be great to show how "brave" they were by trying to beat us.
What happened after it, as my brother told me was something like
I slammed the head of the biggest guy in a wall and went for the other two screaming like a crazy animal and after a few blows they just fleed.
My younger brother spent the last of the year trying to explain how vicious I became
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Post by mutz on Apr 20, 2019 16:05:47 GMT
As a matter of fact I was involved in a lot of fights back in school.
I was a really nerdy guy and I realized that I could be beaten,run or fight back. And since I was a lousy runner and didn't like the idea of taking a beat, I decided that I could try to fight back. And I was good at it
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Post by red on Apr 20, 2019 19:08:00 GMT
Most street fights and bullies are looking for easy prey. If you show you're willing to not only fight back, but step up to the attack, they'll more than likely back down as they're not looking to get hit, but simply have fun getting someone on the ground and kicking him in a circle like a pack of coyotes. They tend to be cowards, save perhaps for a ring leader who's always a little more of a zealot. Actually reminds me of the street fight scene from the first Jack Reacher movie. I've definitely avoided and broken up other fights without even getting physically involved, but simply putting on the "death mask," roaring above all the other noise, and coming near enough with clenched body to show that I will jump in if needs be. Had to do that around Saint Patty's day this year in fact.
Since I was raised in the woods and homeschooled, probably only got in three fights when I was a kid, besides constantly battling my five year older brother, who wasn't the best to me. Fighting him taught me that a lot of the time even though you don't think you can win, you gotta fight anyway and it just becomes about taking whatever's dealt to you and ignoring it, making the goal to inflict as much pain and damage on your opponent as possible. If you keep taking shit from people, then people are just gonna keep giving it to you. Eventually I became stronger and as tall as my brother. He started to leave me alone and I showed mercy by never giving him any payback. Anyway, my philosophy is essentially, even though you don't think you can take a guy...try. You can learn a lot from failing as long as it doesn't get you down. Of course things are completely different if you're trying to defend someone else like a family member or someone taking a beating and you don't know them.
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Post by red on May 4, 2019 16:02:32 GMT
Been doing a little more research on "faring forth" and the fourth type of Hamrammr, which actually seems connected to Seidr magic, not just the Berserkr like in Hrolf Kraki's Saga. I would slightly revise what I said about this type of Harmammr and its connection to the Tibetan Tulpa, because whereas the Tibetan Tulpa is your thoughts and willpower projected outside of yourself to manifest and essentially give birth to a seperate being, the Hamrammr is much more akin to astral projection, because the absurdly large bear that shows up on the battlefield in say Hrolf's Saga, is actually the character Bjarki himself, even though his body is essentially asleep or in a trance somewhere. I've heard rumor that actually if the projected body gets hurt, then so will the projector or that if you stay to long away from your body, then your body could rot, but those were just some theories I read on the web and I haven't found any evidence for these in the Eddas or Sagas themselves. More research to do on faring forth, fylgja, and Hamrammr's connection to Seidr, which I'm actually pretty familiar with Seidr and Shamanism, but hadn't heard this connection. I'm becoming suspicious that more and more of this stuff came out of Ancient Sweden actually and had more of a connection to the Vanir gods and Freyja, rather than the Aesir and Wodanaz.
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Post by arngrim on May 6, 2019 2:05:13 GMT
Hey red, sorry I have been absent lately happy to see you kicking around still. I need to get a computer to type out a real response from you but there does not have to be a backing off from being ulfhedinn. To be a priest and warrior of the gods is no small task. The physical part comes much easier to me then the spiritual part. I recommend looking more into the darker aspects of thurisaz, including the Thurs themselves who Odin retrieved his knowledge from in the ginnunagap. Aligning yourself to finding their knowledge is no easy task and they will exploit your weaknesses before providing anything. And they are relentless. I will try to be more active here lately I have been dealing with much
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Post by red on May 10, 2019 18:44:12 GMT
Good to see you around Arngrim. After more research I just don't feel like I can qualify as a full berserkr yet, which I'm going to change eventually. I need to be more committed. I'm not terribly familiar with Thurisaz, but more with Seidr and Shamanism in general. Always thought Thurisaz was more a modern revisionist thing, but I'd like to hear more about it. In my opinion runes themselves and rune staves are mostly lost in terms of their magical capabilities. Even though we know what some of them were used for, the method of delivery is often not known. I suppose that with simple intent, they could be used or if knowledge of them was gained from beyond.
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Post by arngrim on May 13, 2019 21:15:54 GMT
Even with none of the runes likely containing even a fraction of their meanings, by name or other means, I still find strong power in them, and tend to notice ones in nature that correspond with current issues. I can understand what you are saying about the commitment, but initiation or not the gangr is most likely already there, just needs to be worked so that it doesnt explode at random moments as much though I still have issues with that. What I tend to do on full moons is hold a little half blót almost, where I enter a trance, pull two pairings, see their meaning, then burn them in a fire, written with a bit of blood on paper. A gift given to the gods as to how I can approach the next cycle and what to focus on. I dont necessarily even know the question I am asking, I feel more instinct then anything when I pull them, but it helps me greatly. I equate the thurs to Odin's voyage into the gap when he hung himself on the tree, what he met when in there to gain knowledge. No doubt they will test you but knowledge gained without sacrifice or pain tends to be lost, at least for me. I am still learning about it but can try to help if I can.
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Post by red on May 17, 2019 17:16:43 GMT
That sort of use of the runes I can understand, namely power via intent indued upon them. There are a goodly number of weirdo wiccans where I live, and even though I laugh at their "tradition" and practices, they sometimes achieve genuine results. I tend to have for lack of a better term a very animistic, naturalistic, or shamanistic outlook on life. I've never worshipped any of the gods, but I do consider some of them and other beings or spirits as helpers or allies, and others as needing to be feared and shunned, and still others as the classic joker or trickster archetypes. Had a few weird instances where I'm pretty sure I've met a few of them, mostly in dreams when I was younger. I used to dream travel, a skill I've lost to the extreme where I can't even dream anymore. My life's been full of synchronicities and symbolism, psychic stuff, you name it, much like most in my opinion if only people would wake up and pay attention, but ultimately I haven't been able to use any of it. It just happens to me instead and I haven't found a way to increase it for a purpose.
I've performed shamanistic like rites and a few little ceremonies akin to a blót and even drunk mead in praise of the wisdom of Wodanaz and Freyja with some Asatru members, whom I'm actually not a big fan of. Mostly I adhere to a more spiritual relationship with Nature like the Ancient Germanic Tribes as is described by Tacitus in his "Germania," not that I'm some vegan, hippie, who hugs trees or someone who thinks he's a modern day druid, which is pretty retarded. So during your rites or occasionally throughout normal life are you or have you been in much contact with other sentient intelligences?
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